tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post73683870579319901..comments2024-02-25T10:47:13.049-05:00Comments on Susanna Leonard Hill: Oh Susanna - What About Copyright Infringement?Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17655630528649780363noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-76267483141941427872015-03-18T00:43:08.223-04:002015-03-18T00:43:08.223-04:00Susanna, I'm a teacher that runs an educationa...Susanna, I'm a teacher that runs an educational website for Kindergarteners. I've wanted to read some books out loud that I've purchased through the years and put them in a video. If I were to put a link up showing where you could purchase the book, and note the author and illustrators name would that be acceptable? <br />Thank you!Hannienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-36026295828685427242012-12-03T10:53:24.314-05:002012-12-03T10:53:24.314-05:00Thanks, Julie. I really have to agree. I think y...Thanks, Julie. I really have to agree. I think you've summed it up nicely! :)Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://susannahill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-25695704710465263342012-12-02T23:23:49.904-05:002012-12-02T23:23:49.904-05:00It would only be copyright infringement if they ha...It would only be copyright infringement if they had done the recording without permission from the author, but it sounds like Clar gave them permission. Which is a whole separate topic too. When the lines of promotion and piracy blur!Julie Hedlundhttp://www.writeupmylife.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-76149911400554892112012-12-02T23:20:03.116-05:002012-12-02T23:20:03.116-05:00I totally agree that most copyright infringements ...I totally agree that most copyright infringements are not borne of ill intent. But I also agree that it is far better to err on the side of caution!Julie Hedlundhttp://www.writeupmylife.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-76743243536166163352012-12-02T23:17:28.542-05:002012-12-02T23:17:28.542-05:00I just got to this post, but it's interesting ...I just got to this post, but it's interesting to me the difference in opinion across countries. I think the U.S. as a whole is a very litigious society and becomes more so by the day. That said, sharing an ENTIRE book seems to me a definite violation of the copyright, especially, as in Iza's case, if no credit was given.<br /><br /><br />The other issue is how the book is portrayed. Is it a great reading or a poor one? Is the reader recommending the book or slamming it? There is so much room for interpretation and it's so subjective. But in my view (the daughter of a lawyer), in the same way you can't plagiarize or share a photo online that's not yours, you shouldn't be able to read a book in its entirety that you didn't write unless you have the explicit permission of the author. Sections, yes. Entire book, no. <br /><br /><br />For those of you who do book reviews in this way, understand that the law protects the owners of the copyright. As harmless as it may seem, especially if you are praising and promoting the book, you CAN be sued and will likely lose if that happens. So my advice is to share excerpts but not the whole book.Julie Hedlundhttp://www.writeupmylife.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-90402002499799510892012-11-28T21:25:11.700-05:002012-11-28T21:25:11.700-05:00Clearly there are situations where the videos are ...Clearly there are situations where the videos are great to have! As for my lovely voice - not! :) I sound like a 12 year old :)Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://susannahill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-52880295424762749402012-11-28T21:23:36.497-05:002012-11-28T21:23:36.497-05:00I'm joining this conversation late...but I'...I'm joining this conversation late...but I've skimmed through some of the comments. I agree to what you've said Susanna, but I'm also guilty of being the one USING the infringed book! Being out of country, I don't have access to an English library filled w/picture books. One incident I was looking for the "The Empty Pot" and since I don't own it, I looked online for an online copy. Lo and behold...it showed up on You Tube with someone reading it. So I did have my son watch it to go with his homeschool lesson. And we like Barnes and Noble online storytime, but the author reads his/her own pb. Maybe you should do that so we can have access to one of your books and your lovely voice :)Tina Chonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-7099450696558674382012-11-28T16:52:22.946-05:002012-11-28T16:52:22.946-05:00Maybe so. I definitely think there are pros to it...Maybe so. I definitely think there are pros to it. I guess the question being debated was more about rights and permission and being asked, but ultimately it doesn't matter too much if it's a good thing. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Juliet Clare Bell wrote, in response to Susanna Leonard Hill:<br /><br /><br />Nosy Crow, another publisher from the UK, are also embracing it, having just discovered one accidentally on YouTube and have asked the boy in question to do more. Maybe it really is a US/UK thing...? <br /><br />User's website<br />Link to comment<br />IP address: 94.172.98.231Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://susannahill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-28797664771724521132012-11-28T15:35:25.392-05:002012-11-28T15:35:25.392-05:00Nosy Crow, another publisher from the UK, are also...Nosy Crow, another publisher from the UK, are also embracing it, having just discovered one accidentally on YouTube and have asked the boy in question to do more. Maybe it really is a US/UK thing...?Juliet Clare Bellhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000798178085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-84760270864200948802012-11-28T10:37:06.396-05:002012-11-28T10:37:06.396-05:00Thanks for chiming in and sharing your experience,...Thanks for chiming in and sharing your experience, Clar!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Clarike Bowman-Jahn wrote, in response to Susanna Leonard Hill:<br /><br /><br />I own my copyright not the publisher. So I can do as I wish with my book although I had told her about it being on iTunes with my name and title of the book. <br /><br />User's website<br />Link to comment<br />IP address: 173.72.185.34Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://susannahill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-9819915334975064572012-11-28T10:30:59.553-05:002012-11-28T10:30:59.553-05:00I own my copyright not the publisher. So I can do ...I own my copyright not the publisher. So I can do as I wish with my book although I had told her about it being on iTunes with my name and title of the book.Clarike Bowman-Jahnhttp://www.facebook.com/cbowmanjahnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-20808149233041411992012-11-27T20:48:20.439-05:002012-11-27T20:48:20.439-05:00:)
Vivian Kirkfield ...:)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Vivian Kirkfield wrote, in response to Susanna Leonard Hill:<br /><br /><br />Thank you so very much, Susanna...I came to see your reply first thing this morning...I am relieved that you feel what I am doing is 'okay'...and I was thrilled to read Juliet's response.:) <br /><br />User's website<br />Link to comment<br />IP address: 71.219.223.31Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://susannahill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-1814666043980320272012-11-27T19:41:00.199-05:002012-11-27T19:41:00.199-05:00That is great to know, Maureen! Thank you so much...That is great to know, Maureen! Thank you so much for chiming in!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Maureen Lynas wrote, in response to Juliet Clare Bell:<br /><br /><br />I absolutely agree with Clare. These people are celebrating your books and not making money from them. They are free advertising and I have bought books after seeing youtube videos. <br /><br />User's website<br />Link to comment<br />IP address: 86.29.27.20Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://susannahill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-84544367031284195132012-11-27T19:39:16.887-05:002012-11-27T19:39:16.887-05:00I'm so glad to hear your experience and opinio...I'm so glad to hear your experience and opinion, Clare! Thank you for sharing the other side of the coin. I definitely agree that it's great for stories to be available for kids who might not get to read them otherwise, and I think it is a good advertisement if the story is read well and if the author and illustrator are credited. I'm interested in the US vs. UK opinion - it seems that many US people feel strongly against such readings, including Emma Dryden who has vast experience as an editor for a very prestigious publishing house, and yet you and your editor have no problem with it and actually embrace it. Why such a difference, I wonder?!Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://susannahill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-10496799262285680822012-11-27T19:16:59.187-05:002012-11-27T19:16:59.187-05:00It turned out to be quite a discussion, didn't...It turned out to be quite a discussion, didn't it?! Very interesting! Love your story - Mr. Fisher and Ms. Price :) Also love Barnyard Dance :)Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://susannahill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-27401861221097369202012-11-27T16:05:28.128-05:002012-11-27T16:05:28.128-05:00oh, and Vivian, The Kite Princess is about a girl ...oh, and Vivian, The Kite Princess is about a girl who makes a kite without anyone realising so she can be free... there's kite-making notes in the back, but you could easily do your own kite-making craft activity... Have fun!Juliet Clare Bellhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000798178085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-24031601072402813322012-11-27T15:14:42.618-05:002012-11-27T15:14:42.618-05:00Of course! Picture books are for sharing. I can se...Of course! Picture books are for sharing. I can see it as more of a problem if it's a novel as you're less likely to reread it but a picture book is designed to be read and re-read and re-re-read. PLEASE do and then give me the link (probably easiest to facebook friend me?) and I'll send the link round for others to see. As a matter of interest, my editor at Barefoot (Tessa Strickland, co-founder and editor in chief) has today been asked by someone who's doing a feature and giveaway for The Kite Princess for libraries around the UK, if it's ok to post me reading the whole book up there for people to see. her response? 'Of course!'. Thank you. -Clare.Juliet Clare Bellhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000798178085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-71628283802702044422012-11-27T11:32:23.818-05:002012-11-27T11:32:23.818-05:00Susanna, I'm a day late stopping by - but I...Susanna, I'm a day late stopping by - but I'm certainly glad I didn't miss this discussion. Wonderful comments and input. I only have a little funny to add...When I read to my grandkids (2 & 4) I always say the title, and written by______and drawn by __________. My grand girls expect to hear it. The other day when their mom started to read 'Barnyard Dance' (their favorite) to them she just plunged into the story. Both girls started to yell and protest...no, no, Mom, you forgot to say Sandra Boynton! Then when I was reading a Fisher-Price board book there was no author listed---that took some explaining on my part....corporation was not in their vocabulary. So finally I told them it was written by Mr. Fisher and Mr. Price.Laura Anne Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-85597940367532541792012-11-27T10:53:26.076-05:002012-11-27T10:53:26.076-05:00Thank you so very much, Susanna...I came to see yo...Thank you so very much, Susanna...I came to see your reply first thing this morning...I am relieved that you feel what I am doing is 'okay'...and I was thrilled to read Juliet's response.:)Vivian Kirkfieldhttp://twitter.com/viviankirkfieldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-69312897806609871612012-11-27T10:43:28.295-05:002012-11-27T10:43:28.295-05:00Oh Julie, if this was a schoolroom class, you woul...Oh Julie, if this was a schoolroom class, you would see my hand waving wildly...may I , may I? I'd LOVE to read one of your wonderful books as part of my Picture Books and Crafts for Kids series.:)Vivian Kirkfieldhttp://twitter.com/viviankirkfieldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-32155430441945627662012-11-27T09:02:04.828-05:002012-11-27T09:02:04.828-05:00It's really interesting, because all the Briti...It's really interesting, because all the British people I've talked to about it in the past are REALLY up for it. But I know that one of my American online critique group friends had shown concern that I had posted up someone reading my first picture book. I wonder if there is a divide...? I'd love the thought that someone felt strongly enough about my book to record and share with others. And if (though I don't think it would happen) you lost a couple of sales because people loved the reading enough to watch it over and over but, say, couldn't afford to buy it (or their parents couldn't) then I'd say hooray for it being there and providing access. But I really really don't think that would be happening.Juliet Clare Bellhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000798178085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-89252131822948152502012-11-27T06:39:03.685-05:002012-11-27T06:39:03.685-05:00I absolutely agree with Clare. These people are ce...I absolutely agree with Clare. These people are celebrating your books and not making money from them. They are free advertising and I have bought books after seeing youtube videos.Maureen Lynashttp://www.facebook.com/maureen.lynasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-28164542171874329832012-11-27T06:22:47.164-05:002012-11-27T06:22:47.164-05:00Hi Susanna. I've not had time to read all the ...Hi Susanna. I've not had time to read all the comments but from a personal point of view, I think it's great advertising. My personal feeling is that no one who'd consider buying a picture book would change their mind because they had the chance of watching some random person read it whenever they wanted to (where's the cuddling up and page turning together and spotting things in the illustrations if you're watching it?). It's a completely different experience. A friend found a fab reading of her book recently and her publisher contacted the boy to thank him and ask if he'd consider reading more stories. I also contacted him and he's going to read mine, too! You are ALL VERY WELCOME INDEED to read any of my books, in their entirety, on youtube and I will help share it round and be extremely grateful. I think it's a lovely thing. And WAY more likely to encourage a purchase than discourage one. (I've already got my daughter reading Don't Panic, Annika! (ill. Jennifer E Morris; Piccadilly Press) on youtube, at the book launch, and I'm going to get some other people to record the ones in other languages, and get another daughter to read 'The Kite Princess' (ill. Laura-Kate Chapman; Barefoot). It means it comes up in search engines if someone's written the name of the book and the author in the title.<br />I'll come back and read some other comments later after my deadline, but hooray for people reading on youtube (and I'd even check before buying a book to see if it's on youtube and if I like it, I'll go and buy it). Thanks, Clare.Juliet Clare Bellhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000798178085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-90164165460122308412012-11-26T21:26:21.703-05:002012-11-26T21:26:21.703-05:00Wow! Thanks for sharing that, Iza. This certainl...Wow! Thanks for sharing that, Iza. This certainly has turned into quite the discussion, and I think we've all learned something here today. Basically I think it boils down to being considerate of other people's hard work and intellectual property, and erring on the side of caution if you're not sure what's okay. I think you're right that most people do it innocently and have no thought of malicious intent or personal gain.Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://susannahill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1007703247358638748.post-85208911237157581852012-11-26T21:21:42.231-05:002012-11-26T21:21:42.231-05:00Thank you, Penny, for posing the question! We cer...Thank you, Penny, for posing the question! We certainly did seem to hit a nerve! So many excellent, thoughtful comments on this issue, and I think you've got it exactly right, that it's something that needs to be addressed but it's hard to know quite how. I agree that Vivian's videos are just right, and feel bad for Iza that her work was essentially stolen by not being properly credited! Thanks again for a great question!Susanna Leonard Hillhttp://susannahill.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com